Surname Amerinda or Degnovivo from Campobasso

[Degno]

Did Domenico have any children? Where did he emigrate to? What relation does that make Luisa to me? Sorry I have so many questions, but I'm interested in how this would pertain to my family.

[Degno]

Sorry. What I meant to say is what relation does that make Domenico and Incoronata to me? Any other info on them?

[JohnArmellino]

Domenico, Incoronata, and Luisa Degnovivo are your great (or grand) uncle and aunts. If I understand your prior posts correctly, they are the brother and sisters of your Grandfather Alfred. Technically, Domenico and Incoronata would be the half-brother and half-sister of Alfred, having had a different mother. The descendents of Domenico, Incoronata, and Luisa Degnovivo would be your cousins, of varying degrees. In the case of Domenico and Luisa, you might be able to trace their descendents through census and other American records. In the case of Incoronata, it depends on whether she ever emigrated. If she stayed in Italy, you would have to trace her descendents through the various Italian records, both civil and church . BTW, who are your Aunt Angela's parents?

[Degno]

My Aunt Angela's parents were My Grandfather Alfred and Grandmother Josephine. Where do I go to find these records?

[JohnArmellino]

BTW, who are your Aunt Angela's parents?

Jeez. what a stupid question.

Sorry Mike, all my research has been in Italy. Perhaps another member of the forum can tell you where to find US birth records.

[Degno]

Thanks for all of your help. Let me know if you get anymore info.

[jvillilo]

Here is the info from the Cleveland, OH obituary for Giuseppe and Angeline Degnovivo

Name: Degnovivo, Joseph
Date: Sep 2 1948
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #019.
Notes: Degnovivo, Joseph, beloved husband of Angeline (nee Del Greco), of 15918 Kipling Ave., dear father of Alfred, Mrs. Alice Del Carpini, Mrs. Rose Marie Montello, brother of Mrs. Clotilda De Santis, and grandfather, passed away Aug. 30. Friends received at Di Cicco St. Clair Funeral Home. 15707 St. Clair, Funeral Fri., Sept. 3, at 10 a. m. from Holy Redeemer's Church, Member of St. Nicholas and St. Anthony Societies.

Name: Degnovivo, Angeline
Date: Dec 6 1961
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #103.
Notes: (Nee DelGreco), of 15918 Kipling Ave.; beloved wife of the late Joseph; dear mother of Mrs. Alice DelCarpini, Alfred and Mrs. Rose Montello; grandmother and great-grandmother. Friends received at DiCicco & Sons Funeral Home, 15707 St. Clair Ave., Wednesday 2 To 10 P. M. Services will be held Thursday, Dec. 7, at 9:30 a. m. at Holy Redeemer Church.

The Ancestry page I've put together is as follows but not sure if you can access it:

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 1997725525

[jvillilo]

here is the page for Alfred and Josephine

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 1997716985

[JohnArmellino]

Re: Angela del Greco

I did an index search of the Busso civil records and found three birth records for Angela del Greco during the period of 1871-1894. I was able to eliminate two of them by process of elimination.

The 1891 entry can be eliminated because that Angela del Greco married Lorenzo Gentile on 09 DEC 1934 in Campobasso (as per marginalia).

The 1892 entry can be eliminated because that Angela del Greco died on 05 OCT 1893 in Busso.

That leaves the 1877 entry - Angela del Greco was born 23 JUL 1877 in Busso, the daughter of Nicola del Greco and Rosa Simone [FHL INTL Film 1732873, NATI 1887, Numero 44, 26 JUL 1887].

Although this entry did not include any marginalia with respect to marriage, it is the correct year of birth as per U.S. census records and the father's name (Nicola) matches that stated in the 1918 immigration record of Angela del Greco.

The Busso films end in 1910 and, therefore, I couldn't confirm that this is the correct Angela del Greco through her marriage record, which apparently took place after 1910 (when Giuseppe Degnovivo's second wife was still alive) and before 1914 (when her daughter Luisa Degnovivo was born).

I suspect that the marriage of Nicola del Greco and Rosa Simone may have not taken place in Busso, as the surname of Simone is not generally known to that comune. I'll try to do an index search of the matrimoni and pubbicazioni next week.

[jvillilo]

Mike - if you do get the immigration papers on Giuseppe, I would like to obtain copies, if possible, to see if any of the information sheds light on why my GGM Clotilde called him her brother and vice versa. I have Giuseppe's death certificate in case you would like a copy. Thanks!

[Degno]

Hey- jvillilo- I can't promise anything. Those papers aren't in my posession at the current moment. And while I want more answers, I really can't do anything until I have them. Let me work on it. Thanks.

[jvillilo]

I have been contacted by Luisa Degnovivo in Italy concerning her family. The following is her reply concerning Giuseppe Degnovivo and whether my GGM Clotilde Amerinda was his sister:

Hallo! I'm secure that we are relatives. I think that my grandfather Michele was the stepbrother of Domenico and Incoronata sons of Giuseppe that lived in Italy. I think that Amerinda Clotilde was only daughter of Filomena. Otherwise because two different names?.
My aunt told me that a rich man who was called De Rubertis married, loved is maid with whom had two children. One would have called of surname Degnovivo and other Buongusto. Past several years, he discovers love this woman and wanted to give his last name De Rubertis to both. Unfortunately when he was on his horse going at record of the city, was killed, probabily of his sons because who didn't want to divide property. and these two brother where each with a different sunames. But I don't know to call the maid. This story fascinates me and I would like to find out how the events have gone really.

I think what she means is Filomena was the maid of de Rubertis and she had two children by him, both of which were presented as proietti.

[Perdegno]

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