Antonina Caracappa (b) Abt 1874 Emigrated to US 1905
Gaspar Sanclimenti (b) Abt 1864 Emigrated to US 1904

I have ships manifests that indicate these two were married and both list their last place of residence as Calatafimi, Sicily.

My question is simple: How do I verify place of birth before requesting Birth Certificates? Is LDS film the only way? or is there anything at all online for Italian Vitals?

Thanks,
Mary

mjones wrote:

Antonina Caracappa (b) Abt 1874 Emigrated to US 1905 Gaspar Sanclimenti (b) Abt 1864 Emigrated to US 1904 I have ships manifests that indicate these two were married and both list their last place of residence as Calatafimi, Sicily. My question is simple: How do I verify place of birth before requesting Birth Certificates? Is LDS film the only way? or is there anything at all online for Italian Vitals? Thanks, Mary

Hi There,

I checked the microfilm that the Family History Center has to offer. The Civil Records are incomplete, but there are Church Records available. The film costs $5.75 a roll.

Here is the link for the film numbers.
www.familysearch.org/E...umns=*,0,0

Here is the link to find the nearest Family History Center
www.familysearch.org/E...et_fhc.asp

I think your best bet is to write directly to the town for the records. Here is the address for the town.

Ufficio Stato Civile
Comune di Calatafimi TP
Piazza Francesco Cangemi, 1
91013 Calatafimi
ITALY

Here is the official website for the town.
www.comune.calatafimis..._index.asp

Here is a link from ICC that will help you translate your letter into Italian.
www.circolocalabrese.o...civile.asp

I hope this helps some.
Trish

Hi again,

Per the 1910 census, they were married around 1894.

Name: Casper Sandimenti
[Casper Sanclimenti]
Age in 1910: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 14, New York, New York
Neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of Immigration: 1903
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Manhattan Ward 14, New York, New York; Roll: T624_1030; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 805; Image: 481.

Here are the names in the household:
Household Members: Name Age
Casper Sandimenti 46
Antonina Sandimenti 36
Frank Sandimenti 16
Mary Sandimenti 9
Rose Sandimenti 7
Thomas Sandimenti 4
Josephine Sandimenti 8/12
Stephen Carracapa 21
Benneideto Azzara 27
Susana Azzara 28
Savaltore Gangi 36

This is from the NY Naturalization Records.
Name - Year - Petition Volume - Petition Number - Soundex
Sanclimenti Antonina - 1942 - 1297 - 361489 - S524


I hope this helps some.
Trish

mjones wrote:

Antonina Caracappa (b) Abt 1874 Emigrated to US 1905 Gaspar Sanclimenti (b) Abt 1864 Emigrated to US 1904 I have ships manifests that indicate these two were married and both list their last place of residence as Calatafimi, Sicily. My question is simple: How do I verify place of birth before requesting Birth Certificates? Is LDS film the only way? or is there anything at all online for Italian Vitals? Thanks, Mary

Hello,
you can also check on their naturalization record, ssdi, death record and cemetery record
bye Riccardo

Thank you everyone for your valuable input. This really gives me a good basis to start from.

I plan to visit a Family History Center this week and use the suggestions given here.

What a wonderful Forum this is!!!

Thanks again,

Mary

Hello Mary,
as you can see, the only birth records avalaible from Calatafimi are those ones of 1912, 1920 and 1926. Just 3 years!!!
So it is better if you contact directly the civil record office of Calatafimi, hoping they have more years of records.
bye Riccardo

ricbru wrote:

Hello Mary, as you can see, the only birth records avalaible from Calatafimi are those ones of 1912, 1920 and 1926. Just 3 years!!! So it is better if you contact directly the civil record office of Calatafimi, hoping they have more years of records. bye Riccardo

Riccardo, researching from Baptismal records not a good idea?

Just wondering...

Wouldn't Baptismal records be "almost" as good as Civil Birth Records to research from?

The baptismal records are available for many many years ....

Registri ecclesiastici, 1534-1910 Chiesa cattolica. (Catholic Church) San Silvestro Papa (Calatafimi, Trapani)

Registri ecclesiastici, 1619-1910 Chiesa cattolica. (Catholic Church) San Giuliano Martire (Calatafimi, Trapani)

Trapani, Calatafimi - Census
Calatafimi (Trapani), 1593-1815 Sicilia.

This seems like a wonderful collection to research from...

maria

Hi Mary,

In my original post, I had stated that the microfilm was incomplete and that you should write to the town directly. I also gave you the address for the town and link that would help you translate your letter.

Now per the ship's manifest for Antonina. It stated she was naturalized. I already posted her naturalization information, but I'll post it again for you.

Name - Year - Petition Volume - Petition Number - Soundex
Sanclimenti, Antonina - 1942 - 1297 - 361489 - S524

Here is the link to download the form to send for her naturalization record.
www.italiangen.org/NARAFORM.pdf

Did you know that Gaspare went back to Italy to visit his father, Francesco? There was also another son, Michelangelo that came to the USA with Gaspare. This is great clue when writing to Italy for records.

First Name: Gaspare
Last Name: Sanchimenti
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: U.S.
Date of Arrival: Feb 23, 1912
Age at Arrival: 48y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Berlin
Port of Departure: Palermo
Manifest Line Number: 0025

page 1

page 2


Here is the 1920 Census of the family in NJ. Their son, Angelo, was naturalized in 1919.

Name: Gaspa Sancliment
[Grego Sancliment]
Age: 56 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1920: Pompton Lakes, Passaic, New Jersey
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1904
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Image: 767
Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Pompton Lakes, Passaic, New Jersey; Roll: T625_1066; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 152; Image: 767

Here is the family in the 1930 census. Per this census. Gaspare is still an Alien. Also, Gaspare was married around 1893.

Name: Gasper Sanclementi
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna Sanclementi
Race: White
Home in 1930: Pompton Lakes, Passaic, New Jersey
Image source: Year: 1930; Census Place: Pompton Lakes, Passaic, New Jersey; Roll: 1382; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 189; Image: 39.0.


Here is the son, Frank in the 1920 census with his wife, Mary. Frank was Naturalized by 1919.

Name: Frank Sanclementi
Age: 24 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 14, New York, New York
Home owned: Rent
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1905
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Image: 488
Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Manhattan Assembly District 14, New York, New York; Roll: T625_1210; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 995; Image: 488.

Here is the Naturalization Information for the son, Frank.
New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition Index, 1907-24 Record

Name: Frank Sanclementi
Address: 237 E. 56 St.
Date: 08 Dec 1919
Page #: 179


New Jersey State Archives has death records on microfilm up to 1940. Here is the link for the NJ State Archives.
www.state.nj.us/state/...hives.html

Also, to recap a few things.

Gaspare died after 1930 per the census.
Antonina died after 1942 per the naturalization record
Gaspare was still an Alien in 1930.
Antonina was naturalized in 1942 in NY
Gaspare's father is Francesco.
Gaspare and Atnonina married around 1893 in Italy
Some records can be obtained by microfilm.
Most records should be obtained by writing to Italy

I hope this helps some.
Trish

Here's the link for the 1910 census Trish found..
1910 United States Federal Census Record
about Casper Sandimenti
Name: Casper Sandimenti

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Imageshack working better today. I'm going to try to link the other records for you in a while. Just got in from work and need to tend to the kids...summer holiday

Nuccia

mfjp wrote:

ricbru wrote: Hello Mary, as you can see, the only birth records avalaible from Calatafimi are those ones of 1912, 1920 and 1926. Just 3 years!!! So it is better if you contact directly the civil record office of Calatafimi, hoping they have more years of records. bye Riccardo Riccardo, researching from Baptismal records not a good idea? Just wondering... Wouldn't Baptismal records be "almost" as good as Civil Birth Records to research from? The baptismal records are available for many many years .... Registri ecclesiastici, 1534-1910 Chiesa cattolica. (Catholic Church) San Silvestro Papa (Calatafimi, Trapani) Registri ecclesiastici, 1619-1910 Chiesa cattolica. (Catholic Church) San Giuliano Martire (Calatafimi, Trapani) Trapani, Calatafimi - Census Calatafimi (Trapani), 1593-1815 Sicilia. This seems like a wonderful collection to research from... maria

Maria,
church records are good records, but they are all written in a old style (unreadable) and in latin since 1500's until 1950's. So at this point, unless you know latin, it is better to contact the priest, who studied written old style latin, and he can write for you a church certificate....
bye Riccardo

Everyone!

What a suprise to find more info waiting for me at the end of the day. I can not believe how generous everyone is with their experience and time.

I will be going this Saturday to a Family History Center and I do intend to check out everything that has been suggested.

As it happens, I had 8 years of Latin when I was in school and I believe I will be able to translate the baptismal records.

This is so much fun I can see how someone could become obsessed with not only finding their own ancestors but helping others to find theirs.

Thanks again,
Mary