Hi There,

I like to throw in my two cents. First let me ask you, what actual documentation do you have in regards to Salvatore?
Do you have his death certificate?
Do you have his naturalization record?
Do you know his wife's name?
Do you know the town he was from?


Now if I am reading all the posts correctly, there are two people with the name Salvatore living in Rhode Island - one is the Uncle born 1894 and the other is your great-grandfather, born August 1900, correct?

We realize that the Uncle Salvatore (b. 1894) married Maddalena Simonetti in 1920 in Rhode Island. And Wlspirit gave you the WWI Draft Card and the 1942 Draft Cards. (Note: The Draft card does not mean they were in the War, it means they registered for the Draft. Registering for the Draft gave "Aliens" quicker access to becoming Naturalized)

Now if the WWI Draft Card of Salvatore born August 5, 1900 is your grandfather, then this card stated he was living with Veronica. This person would be his mother. (The WWI Draft Card was provided by Wldspirit). However, if you had his death certificate, this would prove what his parents names are.

Now per the manifest that Suanj posted of 1905 - the mother is not Dolcissima. The mother is Veronica Flori and she is going to go see her husband Tommaso Lanzi in Rhode Island. However, you stated that Salvatore's father was Pietrangelo.

click here 1905 manifest that Suanj provided

I am providing the 1910 census of Tommaso and Veronica. They did have a son named Salvatore born about 1901, however, once again, you stated that YOUR Salvatore's father was Pietrangelo.

Name: Veronica Lanzi
Age in 1910: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Tommaso
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 8, Providence, Rhode Island
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1906


Household Members:
Name Age
Tommaso Lanzi 47
Veronica Lanzi 37
Dolgissima Lanzi 17
Maria Lanzi 12
Salvaton Lanzi 9
Giuseppe Lanzi 7
Antonio Lanzi 2
Luigi Lanzi 1 2/12
Francesco Tomasi 25
Giuseppe Lisi 48

Now VJ gave you a possible manifest of 1904 for a Pietrangelo Lanzi coming to the USA. His age is possible for having a son being born in 1900.

24 Mar 1904 SS Neckar, Naples to NY
Pietrangelo Lanzi, 34 (abt 1870)
- last residence Guarcino
- joining cousin Antonio Testa? in Providence, RI

Another question to you, is what do you go by? Meaning - are you Calabrese, Abruzzese, etc???? This will also help narrow down areas to search for.

And you need documentation, otherwise, we could send you on a wild goose chase and even give wrong information when we don't have enough physical proof!

Hope this helps
Trish

but I read that madelina o maddalena at 1920 should be 21 not 18 .. am I wrong??

- finding her manifest or a 1930 census could help narrow down her age. Census records were only as good as the person giving the info - could even have been a neighbor!
If the census taker didn't understand the dialect being spoken it could also lead to errors.

...But if he got married at 1920 . how is possible that it could be single at 1942??

- 1942 WWII registration, listed his relative as Mrs Maddalena Lanzi

And no possible peter or pietro lanzi born after 1920 could be in USA , as well in any cemetary

- Nothing yet

If you find out other things pleas tell me

Lots of folks here to help! vj

Simonetti Family
possible 1905 manifest
SS Massilla Naples to NY, line 23
Amedeo Simonetti, 38 (abt 1867)
- married
- last residence Guarcino
- destination Providence, RI
- joining brother-in-law Cesare Macchione??

to brujajos

thx for all... I have obviusly the birth certificate from the his town Guarcino... Guarcino is a little town near roma ... In which it is stated that SALVATORE LANZI was born in Guarcino, where I am from indeed, 1894 feb 16th, and via www. familysearch.org I have read that there is a Salvatore Lanzi buried in rhode Island exactly born in that date.. He is surely my uncle. His father was Pietrangelo Lanzi and that Pietrangelo that went to providence is nearly sure my great grandfather... Now I don't know who coulkd be Tommaso Lanzi or Vincenzo Lanzi.. they shouldn't be close relatives.. I know that my uncle went to Usa with other relatives.. then it's possible they could be my relatives too.. The task now is to know the possibile descendent of Salavatore.. via his son and daughter.. It seems to be very hard.. and seems the way , along the time, goes fading..
It is possible that Peter o pietro lanzi could have moved... to other states... I 've read about a pietro lanzi born in 1923 and dead in California , always with familysearch... could you get something about??
Where do I go by?? I live in rome but my father was born in guarcino. His father, or my grandfather , Antonio , was born in guarcino as well and was brother of Salvatore that moved to the USA. Unfortunately both my father and his sisters died and none of my family is able to give me any information. I would search Salvatore descendece to keep in touch and have news from them and keep in touch again. I hope to manage to reach my goal... obviously with your great help..

Thx a lot, as always..

Antonio Lanzi

I forgot ...

Salvatore is the brother of my grandfather , always lived in Italy... my Great grandfather is Pietrangelo who can't be born in 1900.. he , according to the ages on the lists, should be born around 1870...

alany wrote:

but I read that madelina o maddalena at 1920 should be 21 not 18 .. am I wrong?? Probably there was several mistakes... armada could be Armando and Simonette is Simonetti...But if he got married at 1920 . how is possible that it could be single at 1942?? and possible sons or daughters don't be seen ?? About a Viola aged 79 currently living in providence .. could any of you tell me anything?? And no possible peter or pietro lanzi born after 1920 could be in USA , as well in any cemetary?? Unfortunately, ignorance at that time and different spelling between italian and english carry unpleased maistakes that make many mistakes and misunderstandings... If you find out other things pleas tell me.. I 'm here waiting for ... thx

in 1942 he was married.. img284.imageshack.us/i...ww2wf1.jpg

ops already replied by vj .. sorry vj!
... suanj

brujaojos wrote:

Now per the manifest that Suanj posted of 1905 - the mother is not Dolcissima. The mother is Veronica Flori and she is going to go see her husband Tommaso Lanzi in Rhode Island. However, you stated that Salvatore's father was Pietrangelo. click here 1905 manifest that Suanj provided

yes Dolcissima is the daughter, thanks Trish! Kisses, suanj

alany wrote:

tI live in rome but my father was born in guarcino. His father, or my grandfather , Antonio , was born in guarcino as well and was brother of Salvatore that moved to the USA. Unfortunately both my father and his sisters died and none of my family is able to give me any information. I would search Salvatore descendece to keep in touch and have news from them and keep in touch again. I hope to manage to reach my goal... obviously with your great help.. Antonio Lanzi

Hi Antonio,

I want to double check a few things first!

Pietrangelo Lanzi had the following children:
1. Antonio - correct?
2. Salvatore - born around 1894 - correct?

By any chance did Salvatore have a middle name?

If we can find once census, we could hopefully get a list of his children and try to find some information on them.

Here is a list of children born in Rhode Island with the surname Lanzi

Child's Name - Father's Name - Mother's Name - Child's Birth Date
Pietro Lanzi - Giuseppe Lanzi - Maria Lanzi - 12 Feb 1895
Dionizio Lanzi - Tommaso Lanzi - Veronica Lanzi - 10 Sep 1906
Luigi Lanzi - Tomaso Lanzi - Veronica Lanzi - 07 Feb 1908
Alessandro Lanzi - Eduardo Lanzi - Maria Lanzi - 07 May 1920
Antonio Lanzi - Bernardino Lanzi - Giuseppina Lanzi - 20 Nov 1914
Edmondo Lanzi - Bernardo Lanzi - Giuseppina Lanzi - 06 Nov 1917
Elisa Lanzi - Vincenzo Lanzi - Matilda Lanzi - 24 Feb 1920
Francesco Lanzi - Saverio Lanzi - Chechina Lanzi - 29 Apr 1914
Margherita Lanzi - Vincenzo Lanzi - Matilda Lanzi - 10 Jan 1916
Michele G B A Lanzi - Vincenzo Lanzi - Matilda Lanzi - 12 Dec 1913
Querino Lanzi - Vincenzo Lanzi - Matilda Lanzi - 21 Feb 1918

Since you are in Italy, you can write directly for records from the town of Guarcino.

Ufficio Stato Civile
Comune di Guarcino
Via A. Milani, 1
03016 Guarcino FR
ITALY

Here is the official web site of the town.
www.comune.guarcino.fr.it/

I hope some of this helps,
Trish

Ciao Antonio......please do not get confused by the info we post......
it is sometimes helpful to try to obtain more clues....

There is this record.....but no way to know for sure if it is your grandfather,

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Angelo Lanzi
Home in 1920: Johnston, Providence, Rhode Island
Age: 50 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1906
Image: 421
Household Members: Name Age
James Campanini 39
Belle Campanini 40
Nickolas Campanini 17
Rose Campanini 16
Ida Campanini 10
Angelina Campanini 8
James Campanini 6
Eva Campanini 4 2/12
Amelia Campanini 1 4/12
Julio Lucani 25
O'Brien Holy 44
Frank Pisatulli 68
"Angelo Lanzi 50"

wldspirit

Quote::

Name: Madelina Simomette Home in 1920: 5 Alto St, Cranston, Providence, Rhode Island Age: 18 years Estimated birth year: abt 1902 Birthplace: Italy Relation to Head of House: Daughter Father's name: Armada Father's Birth Place: Italy Mother's name: Leperani Mother's Birth Place: Italy Marital Status: Single Year of Immigration: 1913

This record found by VJ....I believe it to be the right family......the census was taken in JANUARY, and the marriage of Maddalena did not occur until
AUGUST.

wldspirit

[quote="brujaojos"]

alany wrote:

I want to double check a few things first! Pietrangelo Lanzi had the following children: 1. Antonio - correct? 2. Salvatore - born around 1894 - correct? By any chance did Salvatore have a middle name? I hope some of this helps, Trish

Your suggestions and information are always of great help... nice and useful guys...
then... yeeeessss... Pietrangelo Had 2 sons.. Salvatore and Antonio.... Antonio is my grandfather... I take his name , as usual here in the italian culture, most of all in the south... Antonio was born 1897 Jul 27th and his brother 1894 feb 16th as already noticed and said...
I dont know if Salvatore had a middle name, but I don't think... in his certificate doesn't appear other parts than his first name and last name. However tomorrow I will go to Guarcino... to search other deep news... I hope to clarify where was born my unce and aunt Pietro or peter and Viola..
other "lanzi" people i don't know who could be.... maybe other relatives but no close enough... I , however , would look for Salvatore descendece..

Cheers
Antonio

by the way.. I know that Pietrangelo's wife is named ANGELA ALVITI... could you get some information about all over the USA, on death lists obviuosly??

thx
Antonio

if in the birthact don't appear the second first name, is only Salvatore.. however you can search if they sended in guarcino town hall the marriage certificate from USA for the registration in Guarcino... many emigrants made it... and some time also the child registration... regards, suanj

here it are:
P LANZI
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1929
Death Date: 15 Oct 1988
Social Security Number: 035-20-2710
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Rhode Island

suanj

suanj wrote:

here it are: P LANZI Birth Date: 19 Feb 1929 Death Date: 15 Oct 1988 Social Security Number: 035-20-2710 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Rhode Island suanj

mmmm he seems to be too young.. I think he was born at the beginning of 20iest.. he should have been more or less the same age of my father , his cousin.. and my father was born in 1923.. but that "P" what does it mean?? P because is unknown his name, isn't it?